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#1 Vince Caron

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 03:49 AM

Much of what I have been using SP for lately has been developing wall framing plans for our panel shop.

 

I've seen a couple of things that I cant figure out.

 

With framing plans, I need to have accurate placement, length, size, location of openings etc.

 

After drawing floor layout, selecting the framing tab, often, but not always, my wall plates are 'exploded'. That is, the plates attached to the studs,(not the top or bottom most plate) are separated from the wall, up and down. They also show in the attached section. The plate across the dormers belongs on the "knee wall" that the roof sits on. The top plates of the dormer gable walls are there also. In the lower floor, you can see where the bottom plate is up to the under side of the window. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to when it happens. It happens to some walls and not others drawn with the same wall definition. 

If I try to erase them, the wall is erased.

In the framing mode, I can move them where they belong.

Any ideas as to what I'm doing to get this situation?

 

The second question. Is there a way to build/draw an interior wall that has a raked top up to a flat ceiling, across that flat ceiling, then raked back down, without inserting breaks and then raking the tops of the angle top wall section. With the breaks, openings cant be inserted where they need to be.

The attached show an interior wall with the two breaks, but I need doors there. And I would like them to show on framing diagrams as one continuous wall.

 

I'd appreciate any input

Thanks

Vince

 

Like the look of the new forum. And looking forward to 2016. The program, I can wait for the year.

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#2 Philip Frank

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 05:59 AM

First put in a ceiling that matches your desired wall height shape. (See attached). You'll need to use the "Double Hip " option for the eave sides of the ceiling. The "Distance" determines where the transition occurs between the slope and the flat portion of the ceiling. You'll need to use some trig or a quick section to determine this distance. Now that you have a ceiling, Edit your wall and choose the "Fit to Ceiling" option.

 

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#3 Chris Stewart

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:23 AM

I have not seen wall plates do that -I guess you might check your wall definition. (or maybe it is a bug in certain situations)


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#4 Vince Caron

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 12:29 PM

Thanks for the responses.

 

I wondered if the ceiling first method was going to be the way to figure this.

There are so many dormers, kneewalls  and valleys to fit ceilings to, I was hoping for another way.

Here is where I learn about ceilings I guess.

 

The floating plates issue is more of a pain than anything.

Worst part is no rhyme or reason to it.

Something to look into when time allows.

 

Thanks again for your help. Reading through these topics is a good way to pick up tips from the pros.

 

Vince

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#5 Chris Stewart

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 01:27 PM

Yes it is the only way to get a wall to auto-generate to a slope. 

 

I have long asked for walls to be editable in profile but it has not happened yet and looks like it will not happen for v2016. 

 

But that does not mean you need a complete ceiling system. You could draw just a bit of one to generate a particular wall. 

 

But the wall will probably not auto-generate correctly and the panel will still have to be manually adjusted anyway.


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