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#1 Shay Bashaw

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:42 PM

I have another roof question.

 

I have not yet figured out the proper way to add what I call a "skirt roof" as shown in the attached images.

 

In the attached images, you can see the roof over the front step wraps around the side of the house and around to the back to dress up the side elevation for corner units.  There is no structural support of this roof, it simply hangs off the side wall.  I cannot figure out how to achieve this because to trace a roof or add a roof, it seems you need to have 4 structural elements (beams/walls) to create a roof.

 

Currently, the only way I can figure out to achieve this is to cover the entire main floor with a roof (even though there is a 2nd floor) so that it sticks out past the 2nd floor walls.  This obviously is not a very good solution as it interferes with my building sections and throws off my material takeoffs.

 

Is there an easy way to do this?

 

Thanks in advance! 

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#2 Thomas Davis

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:09 PM

They way to do this is add beams - one at the overhang and one at the wall. You may even need short side beams. You can tell the beams to be hidden so they do not display in 3D.

You can then trace your roof around the beams. This will keep the roof on the outside of the walls just like you want.



#3 randolph cohn

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:10 PM

listen to tommy and learn how to use BEAMS with roofs.

 

i believe you still have 2012,

 

does it do "multi-floor roofs" ?

if not, in 1st floor, draw the roof and whatever it takes, draw a HOLE in the roof

and edit or do whatever else you have to.

 

than go to 2nd floor and put a roof on that floor and edit as needed.

 

since we can't see the whole building,  don't know what other problems 

you might have to deal with.

 

note: as mentioned,  ROOFS became easier with each NEW version.

in some cases,  MUCH Easier


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#4 Shay Bashaw

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:41 PM

Thanks,

Yes I am on version 2018.

 

I suppose beams would work.  I find it annoying to add beams that do not exist however.  And when I check off the box for Hidden it seems to hide it in plan view (which is good), but not in the 3D views.  Am I doing this wrong? or is there another place to hide the beam for 3D?

 

I did not think of the hole in roof idea yet.  I will have to play with this idea to see if I can make it work.

 

Thanks



#5 Shay Bashaw

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:04 PM

Update:

 

Randolph, the HOLE in the roof solution works beautifully!  Awesome!



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:11 PM

Thanks,

Yes I am on version 2018.

 

I suppose beams would work.  I find it annoying to add beams that do not exist however.  And when I check off the box for Hidden it seems to hide it in plan view (which is good), but not in the 3D views.  Am I doing this wrong? or is there another place to hide the beam for 3D?

 

I did not think of the hole in roof idea yet.  I will have to play with this idea to see if I can make it work.

 

Thanks

 

to hide beam from 3D, go to your common tab and uncheck Extract in Model.

 

As far as using beams, don't think of them as beams not actually being there, but as structural elements which ARE there. You are just using beams for that purpose.

You actually have a wall ledger and rafter and sub-fascia that ARE structural. There has to be something to fasten the framing to other than air, let that be beams!

 

While cutting a hole in a roof works, you wouldn't actually build a roof and then cut a hole in it, but you would frame a roof on the outside of the walls using structural framing members - softplan beams in this case.

 

As you use softplan more and more, beams will become your true friend, because they can be used for MANY things other than just your typical beam. Randy is the master at using beams for various things.



#7 Keith Almond

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

If you put the roof on the first floor wall with an extended overhang, and then create a hole for everything inside the building it works fine too, and no need for beams.


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#8 Shay Bashaw

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:32 PM

to hide beam from 3D, go to your common tab and uncheck Extract in Model.

 

As far as using beams, don't think of them as beams not actually being there, but as structural elements which ARE there. You are just using beams for that purpose.

You actually have a wall ledger and rafter and sub-fascia that ARE structural. There has to be something to fasten the framing to other than air, let that be beams!

 

While cutting a hole in a roof works, you wouldn't actually build a roof and then cut a hole in it, but you would frame a roof on the outside of the walls using structural framing members - softplan beams in this case.

 

As you use softplan more and more, beams will become your true friend, because they can be used for MANY things other than just your typical beam. Randy is the master at using beams for various things.

 

Thanks Thomas,

I have been picking up several handy little tricks as I go.  Thanks for the advice!



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:12 AM

I just created these skirt roofs on a job of mine.  I did it without using beams or cutting holes.

 

I used trace roof to trace the skirt roof along all of the house walls where the skirt would terminate into the walls, then I traced out about 2' (or whatever your overhang is) and continued to trace the roof overhang (in some case it doesn't necessarily follow the exact same jogs of the house if you want it to run straight past some jogs, creating a deeper skirt in those areas).  Then I adjusted all of my reference points to reference in the correct locations.  At this point it likely looks like you have a little hip roof running wherever you added the skirt.  The final step was to edit just the roof edge that is now likely inside your house walls.  Change this roof plane to an intersect.  The intersect makes that a vertical edge.  Now manually adjust those intersect edges to align with your house walls.  This creates the skirt without the addition of beams and without creating overly large roofs and cutting holes through them.

 

Let me know if any of this is unclear, I will try and screen shot some better instructions.



#10 Brian Berzinskis

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

I actually do these a lot. The way that I do it is to use Trace Roof but draw it way off to the side of the actual drawing kinda in the shape that I want it to be. Then I go in and Edit the Roof Edge and click Ignore Walls. Then I am able to Adjust the Roof Edge to meet the wall with an Intersection and Vertical pitch but I am sure to not click to associate to the wall. Then I can Adjust the Roof Edge for the over hang as well and add a HIp with a 12 on 12 pitch or whatever you prefer. Then I am able to Auto Frame it also.

 

I have had trouble in the past drawing it right next to the walls where I want it because it will either snap to the wrong thing or it will be at the wrong height when I check it out in 3d.







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