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#1 Dave Pazyniak

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 10:57 AM

Can someone please point me to a detailed explanation of the correct order to draw a set of house plans?  I am assuming I am doing something wrong in the first few steps, and then it is nearly impossible to correct my missteps.  I am trying to draw a 2 story house on a crawl space.  The garage is on a slab on grade connected to the house with a mudroom.  The garage has a bonus room above with 2' knee walls, so my bonus room floor is not on level with my second floor of the main house.  Here is what I did:

 

1. drew the main floor.

2. added a floor system.

3. saved as an upper floor.

4. got my roof to work.

5. used auto basement to create my crawl space.

6. drew my garage.

7. adjusted my garage walls down to grade.

8. Added garage slab.

9. Drew my bonus room walls.

10. added a bonus room floor

11. Adjusted everything down to sit on garage walls

 

I have spent 4 days trying to get this all to work and stay in place, but sometimes when I edit something the bonus room jumps back to match the second floor of the main house.  Other times the garage slab goes back up to first floor.  I have tried turning off clean up, but the house is still in the design phase, so I have to keep changing things.  I have tried doing the garage as a separate project and using the neighborhood... same issues.  I have tried copying the garage back into the main project, same issues and others.  I have tried reference points, but that helps with a second floor, not varying heights on the same floor.  There are some images of my errors in the neighbor issues post.

 

I've been drawing in softplan for over 10 years, and have never had a project where I was able to draw this type of project smoothly.  Sorry for the wordy post...

 

Dave



#2 Dennis Hilborn

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 11:34 AM

I would have drawn the garage at the same time as the first floor.

I KNOW what you mean about things (walls, roofs, doors, windows etc? keep jumping up and down.  That's a very big headache.

Sometimes it helps to uncheck "CLEANUP" when you get something set the way you want.  But be careful that can be a problem when you edit the model and expect things to "self fix".

Roofs will mess up if they (randomly and on their own) re-reference to the wrong wall or beam.

Windows will move up or down if you change the bottom or top level of a wall and have the window referencing that level.



#3 Gary McKeon

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 05:20 PM

The roof should be one of the last things to put on. Get all the walls, floors, slabs, beams, etc. on there first and then draw the roof. As Dennis points out you do have to uncheck cleanup sometimes as well.



#4 Keith Almond

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 05:49 PM

Make sure that floors (whether wooden or concrete) that are on the same floor plans are drawn on different levels.

 

There is no correct order of work.

 

Personally, I tend to draw the plans first without bothering about floors or roofs, so that the client can agree to room dimensions and plan layouts, before I even think about adding anything else. Only when the plan layouts are generally approved do I think about modelling them.


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#5 Dave Pazyniak

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 05:57 AM

Sometimes my walls adjust up or down with my floor, other times I need to adjust them individually.  Sometimes they adjust part way, but not all the way down to sit on the floor.  Is this typical?



#6 Kevin Rabenaldt

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 08:03 AM

A lot of variables.  Sometimes the floor plan is dominant then roof and foundation don't matter as much in the beginning.  If two story, then i am thinking how they stack.  If you are designing to achieve an certain elevation then it is the most important.  I tend to go back and forth with foundation and roof as I design the floor plan as it sometimes will show what I want on the floor plan.  I will give the client a basic elevation (pretty much as generated as line drawing in elevation save) look at each floor plan design.

 

If you use reference points and stack in your model in the right order, everything should stack correctly.



#7 Dave Pazyniak

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 08:30 AM

Thank you all.  My main and upper floors always seem to stack fine, but I almost always have issues with more than one floor level an a drawing, i.e. Crawl space with a slab garage down 3'.  Probably user error, but I can't get it right more often than not...



#8 John Jones

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 08:35 AM

Add Floor Systems after the Save As. Floor Systems are different on each floor. Very common mistake for users to add the Floor System then Save As the upper floor.  The problem being there is now a sill plate on the second-floor plan that probably doesn't belong there.


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#9 Dave Pazyniak

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 12:46 PM

Thanks, John.  pretty sure I am guilty of that one.



#10 Brent Hyndman

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 06:59 AM

If you're still having trouble Dave, please send us a ticket so we can give feedback specific to your design.



#11 Dennis Asher

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 07:50 AM

I believe Kieth hit it on the head.  It sounds to me like the garage slab and floor joists are drawn on the same level.


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#12 Dave Pazyniak

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 02:00 PM

Thanks, Brent, but I've got it more or less working.  I did put my floor system in before I created my second floor.  Had the double sill plate and that caused some of my trouble.  I fudged in quite a bit to get the model to look ok.  I'd be embarrassed to let anyone look at this mess.  Too many things I did wrong or had the work around incorrectly.  I used some solids to show frieze boards where the walls or roof couldn't' show them right.  And I' sure I had trouble with those because I cheated on some of the roofs...

 

I had a slab that I couldn't adjust because it kept snapping to a beam the was 9' above the slab.

 

Here is where it is so far...

 

And thank you all!

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