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#1 Chris Robinson

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Posted 30 January 2021 - 03:09 AM

I am new to 2020 but have been using SP13 (and earlier versions) for many years. I have never used the 3d part of the program because back when 13 came out I felt it was awkward and limited my ability to design freely. It looks like SP has come a long way but I have a big learning curve until I can use it professionally.

3D shapes: I would like to be able to create symbols but so far it seems incredibly difficult to use 3d shapes other than to draw large objects. I can't find any training info what so ever. Why have tool and not give any information on how to use it?

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Posted 30 January 2021 - 11:32 AM

What kinds of symbols are you trying to create?


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#3 Chris Robinson

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 12:31 AM

brace details is an example that comes to mind right now. There is one stock brace detail and I know I can adjust the size, but that's about it.

I have been in the house design business for 40 years and I try to stay ahead of the curve and a little outside the box, so I want to know that I can design creatively without worrying that it can't be drawn on SP.


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#4 Mark Petri

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 09:34 AM

If you want to draw such things in SP it is totally possible. I'd say draw smaller things at full scale or larger so that they are easy to work with and then scale them down once set. For braces it is best to use a bunch of lines and arcs to guide your drawing of the parts. Then use the solid shapes to fit the parts you want. Textures and heights can be limiting. You only get 1 orientation of the texture on each shape (if you give them different texture assignments anyway). And, each shape can only have 1 height. So, if you are doing a dado or rabbet it will end up having to be multiple shapes or oriented in such a way that you can use a solid polygon and get the look you want. Then, once you make all the shapes you want you can either assemble them if they all orient correctly, or make each one a symbol and correct the orientation, then assemble them. It is all possible if you can think through how the parts fit and what makes sense drawing in 3D solid shapes.

 

I find having SketchUp and drawing anything I need for timber or odd symbols in there is so much faster. I can also control the textures on each surface of a shape if I want. And, I don't have to work through orientation of each piece. I can just draw it as I want it. But, it is also possible in SP. Just gotta keep things more simple.


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#5 Chris Robinson

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 02:19 PM

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Mark. This is really helpful. 

Just one question, you say draw in full scale. Is there a way to change the scale? Isn't everything drawn to scale? I have always had issues drawing small items in SP. I have just scaled them up by a factor and then scaled them back down to apply them to my drawing. Am I missing something?



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 02:45 PM

Welcome. That is what I meant for scale - really, just figuring out what makes the most sense for drawing the level of detail you need. Scaling up 10x or something you remember may help with smaller items.


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Posted 03 February 2021 - 08:22 AM

Chris I am new to SoftPlan but I agree with Mark. I have found it easier for me to use SketchUp to make detail models of specific items and then importing them into SoftPlan. If the model is really complex or has a lot of strange shapes then sometimes the SoftPlan generated top view of the symbol may miss a couple lines, but overall it is much easier (in my opinion) to start with SketchUp and then bring it into the SoftPlan library.






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