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#1 Dennis Asher

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Posted 18 August 2022 - 09:56 AM

I have created a custom wall for a garden level bsmt.  I wanted to be able to set the transition of the exterior wall in order to adjust for grade and the interior wall should always be the same.  When I edit the transition height it adjusts the interior wall.  Is there a way to keep the interior the same and adjust the exterior of the wall with the transition box?  I really don't want to edit the wall definition for each individual grade situation.  Thanks!

 

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#2 Keith Almond

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Posted 18 August 2022 - 11:23 AM

Yes, have the default exterior transition height different from the interior transition height.


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#3 Dennis Asher

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:02 AM

Yes, have the default exterior transition height different from the interior transition height.

 

Thanks Keith, where do I find that setting?  All I see in the wall definition is a single checkbox for transition materials height.



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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:20 AM

Its all about changing the heights of things in the definition. For instance, change the concrete wall to be 36" high. Then change the interior wall transition material to be 60" high. Now those elements of the wall are different heights. Then, select your wall transition to be 60" as the default.


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#5 Dennis Asher

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:50 AM

[attachment=8314:Garden Level Wall Definition.pdf

Its all about changing the heights of things in the definition. For instance, change the concrete wall to be 36" high. Then change the interior wall transition material to be 60" high. Now those elements of the wall are different heights. Then, select your wall transition to be 60" as the default.

 

Guess I'm missing something.  I am posting a pdf of my wall definition.  I want the interior wall to always be from slab to floor joist.  I want to be able for the transition height to affect the concrete foundation wall and 2x6 pony wall above.  They are currently both defined as 48" tall.  I am trying to get my definition to work on the exterior wall, but it always makes the transition on the interior wall.

 

 

 

 

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#6 Mark Petri

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 10:32 AM

Now I understand what you are doing. I'll have to play with that a bit. I wonder if checking fixed on the studs might help. I was thinking you had partial walls inside and out. I typically draw my foundation totally separate from the lower level (garden level walls. I get wanting it all in one, but it makes a mess for me when I want to show just the foundation. I'll post something as I get time to mess with it if I discover the right solution.


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Posted 19 August 2022 - 10:48 AM

Now I understand what you are doing. I'll have to play with that a bit. I wonder if checking fixed on the studs might help. I was thinking you had partial walls inside and out. I typically draw my foundation totally separate from the lower level (garden level walls. I get wanting it all in one, but it makes a mess for me when I want to show just the foundation. I'll post something as I get time to mess with it if I discover the right solution.

Thanks Mark.  In reality my basement wall is always 9'-1" tall.  I will redefine the wall to that height and make the interior studs fixed and see if that does it.  Thanks!



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Posted 19 August 2022 - 11:31 AM

The transition should only affect materials that are defined at the transition height. All other materials should be unaffected. Anything ... ANYTHING ... that you never want to stretch should be defined as fixed.


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#9 Keith Almond

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 03:07 PM

Dennis, can you reiterate what is the problem. Looking at your wall definition, the transition should only affect the exterior portion of that wall. The interior should NOT be changing.


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#10 Keith Almond

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 12:36 PM

The way I understand the transitions to work is as follows (although I could be wrong):

 

The ONLY place that moves with the transition is at a junction where a material starts or stops.

 

So for instance:

 

You can have a wall that has three transition junctions - one where concrete changes to siding on the outer portion of the wall at 2'-0" high - One where a frost wall stops on an inner portion of the wall at 3'-0" high - and one where siding changes to shakes on the outer portion of the wall at 6'-0".

 

You set the default transition default height to 2'-0" because typically that's where you want to step the concrete as the grade moves. if you want to raise the concrete to 4'-0" high, you edit the wall and change the transition to 4'-0" on the transition tab. The concrete/siding junction moves to 4'-0" and should be the only part that moves.

 

Say you then want to move the siding/shake transition to 7'-0", You edit the wall definition locally to the drawing to move the transition height to 6'-0" high (the current transition height in the definition for siding/shakes). Then you edit the wall and on the transition tab change the transition to 7'-0". The siding/shake junction moves to 7'-0" and should again be the only part that moves.

 

As long as you don't have multiple possible transitions at the same point in the original wall definition, the ONLY part that should move is the junction at the CURRENTLY defined transition height.


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#11 Dennis Asher

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Posted 22 August 2022 - 06:27 AM

I will attach my original wall definition.  It was defined as an 8ft wall.  I wanted to be able to change the overall height of the wall and control the transition point of the exterior concrete to pony wall as well as have the interior wall stretch to compensate for the overall wall height.  When I tried to adjust that transition the change always effected the interior wall only.  Since the overall height of this wall is 9'-1" for 99% of my designs, I redefined the wall as 9'-1" tall and made the interior stud "fixed" (As per Mark's suggestion).  The all now works like I had intended with the transition change occurring on the exterior portion of the wall.

 

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Posted 22 August 2022 - 09:03 AM

Glad that worked. I expect there are other solutions and we ought to be able to get walls with such transitions to be adjustable in overall height without issue.


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