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[Kevin Hoppe]

Anyone out there be able to give me some guidance why I cannot seem to show changes in lot elevations?  I entered feet above sea level points using "Existing Shot Point".  Grid is shown with 20' lines from rear two lot lines.  Struggling with this... and other things.  Might be just simply looking for someone to help me get my design done?  Lots of other issues.  Also getting restricted from attaching jpg and spp files.  What kind of files can I attach?

 

 

[Mark Petri]

Look at the settings for the shot points. Most of the time the default for "Existing Shot Points" is that they don't change grade/elevation. Make sure you have that checked to see the affects. Use select type or repeat edit to get the same for all existing shot points.

[Sam Morgan]

I'll start with the dumb question.  Have you drawn an actual site plan?  You can't change the flat auto horizon

[Fred Dickson]

I'll start with the dumb question.  Have you drawn an actual site plan?  You can't change the flat auto horizon

And, did you add it to the model?

[Kevin Hoppe]

Look at the settings for the shot points. Most of the time the default for "Existing Shot Points" is that they don't change grade/elevation. Make sure you have that checked to see the affects. Use select type or repeat edit to get the same for all existing shot points.

 

Look at the settings for the shot points. Most of the time the default for "Existing Shot Points" is that they don't change grade/elevation. Make sure you have that checked to see the affects. Use select type or repeat edit to get the same for all existing shot points.

I used existing shot point but don't know if I checked the box.  When I go to edit, the box isn't there.

[Kevin Hoppe]

And, did you add it to the model?

Pretty sure I did this in the wrong order.  I created a Site plan on my Main Floor page (drawing).  I need to figure out how to separate it I believe.

[Sam Morgan]

Pretty sure I did this in the wrong order.  I created a Site plan on my Main Floor page (drawing).  I need to figure out how to separate it I believe.

Site plan should always be a separate drawing and the lowest in the model stack

[Mark Petri]

As Sam says, keeping it separate is best. My bad on shot points. I was thinking the setting was in the edit menu for shot points. It's in the edit menu for grade lines. When you set shot points they should affect grade. Double check that you have them within the site polygon. If the site is not shaded it is not a polygon. If the shot points are not showing up try adjusting the height and see if it makes a difference. If they are all the same the whole site will adjust to that height/depth. Set some others to see how it affects it.

[Kevin Hoppe]

I separated the drawings and got rid of some noise with extra houses in the plan for sketching.  Stacked the drawings.  Still doesn't show the terrain.  Does this group share drawings spd's spp's etc?  I can't seem to add any files.

[Mark Petri]

So, the big thing to double check is if the site is a polygon and showing as such. You should see the flat shape of the property in 3D. I know that may seem obvious, but just making sure. If so, are the shot points on any building option that is not set to extract in the model by chance? If not those things, is the extract in 3D box checked on the shot point edit menu? Are the shot points at enough of a variety of heights to see the difference? If not, try adjusting 1 or 2 to a very drastic height to see if it affects the site. What depth is your site set to? 

[Fred Dickson]

Curious if you did these steps:  from the main floor drawing go to Site Plan and create a building outline.  Save this as Site Plan.  Add this to the model stack on the bottom.  On this new Site Plan drawing go to Site Line and sketch the site creating a polygon, shaded image.  Then apply grade lines, shot points, etc....  

[Bruce Donelson]

It can also help to add a shot point at the corners of the Property Polygon. And frequently SoftPlan fails to make a polygon when the property lines are entered. If when the last property line is added you suddenly get a shaded area, the polygon is created. Otherwise, I usually try again on a new layer using sketch to snap to the old points. It seems to have a higher chance to form a polygon.

Version 2022 might not have the same trouble that earlier versions had with computations, because it offers a range within which it will calculate topo lines. But out of habit I still round off the digits: so instead of setting shot points at 3050' of elevation, I will set them at 50'. The smaller numbers make it easier for SoftPlan to do all of the math.

Last, before trying to generate the topo lines, do a cleanup of the Site Plan. Control-C. 

[Kevin Hoppe]

So, the big thing to double check is if the site is a polygon and showing as such. You should see the flat shape of the property in 3D. I know that may seem obvious, but just making sure. If so, are the shot points on any building option that is not set to extract in the model by chance? If not those things, is the extract in 3D box checked on the shot point edit menu? Are the shot points at enough of a variety of heights to see the difference? If not, try adjusting 1 or 2 to a very drastic height to see if it affects the site. What depth is your site set to? 

I'm not seeing the site in 3d.  I remember seeing it flat before, but it doesn't show now.  Do you know what setting turns it on?

[Keith Almond]

If it was flat, you probably had AUTO HORIZON turned ON.

 

Without getting too complicated (or long winded) ...

 

Go into SITE mode, create building outline and save this as SITE PLAN.

 

Add as the lowest drawing in the MODEL STACK.

 

On the site plan, add a property polygon, and put SHOT POINTS (control points) on the property ... DON'T put them on the building corners or they will add to BUILDING OUTLINE not PROPERTY. Put them near the corners and then copy them to where you want them (When they are copied, they stay on the PROPERTY, and can be snapped to the building corners), and then adjust the shot point values as necessary.

 

After that, embellish and adjust as necessary.

[Wesley Penner]

And I am going to add the obvious, but it happens to us all: Is the Display on the Property material check in when you edit Textures in 3D? See attachment.

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[Kevin Hoppe]

Gentlemen,

Worked on the model over the weekend.  Thank you all for the great help.  I am super slow with this software, and want to get this out for bids really soon.  Any chance any of you are interested in putting together drawings for me?  Some design work and creativity needed, but have all the fundamentals (survey, rough plan, etc.)  House will be icf basement and main floor.  Garage will be framed 2x8 (very large).  Design will be modern.  House is for myself.  Proceeding now with roughly 50 existing shot points.  House is at top of a hill that will go down on garage side and walkout basement side.

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[Steve and Carla Farnam]

Gentlemen,

Worked on the model over the weekend.  Thank you all for the great help.  I am super slow with this software, and want to get this out for bids really soon.  Any chance any of you are interested in putting together drawings for me?  Some design work and creativity needed, but have all the fundamentals (survey, rough plan, etc.)  House will be icf basement and main floor.  Garage will be framed 2x8 (very large).  Design will be modern.  House is for myself.  Proceeding now with roughly 50 existing shot points.  House is at top of a hill that will go down on garage side and walkout basement side.

lot plan in process.PNG

 

Hello Kevin , please email info on what you will need for plan set to build, permitted area or not? etc.  Thanks, Steve srfxc@aol.com