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#1 Jonathan Barto

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 09:14 AM

Hello

 

I need some help on creating a Fypon window header.   I see you can down load off of their website.  However I cant seem to make a 3d model of it.  I don't have sketchup and tied using the trial version however I cant seem to get it to work properly.

 

 Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a 3d model of this?

 

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#2 Keith Almond

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 11:39 AM

Depending upon the particular model, I'd suggest downloading the 2D and "tracing" it with 3D Solids. Once you have all the areas as solids use varying heights to give it depth, and save the 3D model as a DWG file. Then use the symbol wizard to reorient it, and create a new symbol to suit.

 

Can you post a picture of the one you are looking at.

 

There are a number of decorative pediments already in Softplan's library. You could always use one that's close and add the disclaimer - "Pediment is diagrammatic only. Actual model to suit customers final selection", or something similar.


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#3 randolph cohn

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 11:55 AM

here's one FYPON website with some cad drawings.

 

haven't tried downloading one yet and using the "symbol wizard" on it.

 

i presume they have 3d models of their products.

 

maybe keith will write up a nice tutorial with pictures.

 

http://microsite.cad...one&microsite=1


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#4 Keith Almond

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 12:03 PM

I had a look on FYPON's site, Randy. All their CAD files are 2D. Looks like Microsite's are too.


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#5 randolph cohn

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 12:42 PM

keith,

they have a dwg and a dwf

 

i downloaded the dwg and tried making it into a softplan 3d model

using the "symbol wizard" but with no luck.

 

any suggestions would be appreciated.


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#6 Keith Almond

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 01:42 PM

Jonathan,

 

Is there a specific pediment that you need?


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#7 randolph cohn

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 02:10 PM

i spoke with fypon,

 

they don't have many 3d models for their products.

the person i spoke with said he didn't know why.

i mentioned he might want to speak with sketchup

and see if they could help out.

there aren't maybe 3d models of their products

over at 3d warehouse.  i find that very strange.


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#8 Jeff Hamilton

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Posted 08 August 2015 - 08:22 PM

If we had the old boneyard page, I have some that might help.  Not sure if I could attach it here



#9 randolph cohn

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Posted 08 August 2015 - 08:47 PM

if you need a pediment for a window or door,

 

you can EDIT that opening and click on the "exterior trim" tab

and near the bottom is the word "pediment" with a box next to it.

check the box and you'll be able to pick a pediment style which

are very similar to the fypon pediments.


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#10 Jonathan Barto

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 01:05 PM

Thanks guys!
 
I imported it to sketchup..  Now their dwg drawings are in 2d and also have the border page and notes in it.  So I was able to delete the border and then had to resize it.  Then try to add depth.  I could not get it to work correctly..  here is a sample of what it looked like

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#11 Keith Almond

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 07:32 PM

Jonathan,

 

Is this near enough ......

 

According to the pdf this is 33" wide overall. According to the dwg file, it's 33" wide over the door (which actually makes more sense).

 

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All created within Softplan. If you want a small tutorial I can write one up ....


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 09:13 PM

That would be great Keith if you have time.  There is a guy in Canada that creates them for about $2 a symbol.  I loaded up on them about a year ago.  Wish I knew how to do them myself.


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#13 Keith Almond

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:06 AM

Okay very quickly ....

 

Go to - FILE > IMPORT/EXPORT > IMPORT > DWG/DXF (Import) - and import the downloaded DWG file into a new Softplan drawing.

 

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Once imported you need to copy the shapes a number of times depending on the shapes - this one is 8 - It will become clear - Maybe make it 9 and keep a spare - JUST IN CASE.

 

Once you have the copies, you have to isolate each individual segment, by deleting unwanted lines.

 

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Once they are isolated, go to EDIT > BLOCK FORM POLYGON(S) and draw a block round each portion (I do each one individually, but I believe that you can do them all together - don't know what (if anything) the downside would be).

 

Once they are polygons go to EDIT > FORM SOLID POLYGON and click on each one. RIGHT CLICK to end.

 

You should now have 9 solid polygons.

 

NOTE: Sometimes depending on how the lines join, the polygons will not create correctly. You may have to redraw lines and arcs etc. to suit. Keep trying until it works.

 

You now have to give them a height. As the total height we need is 4½", I started at ½" and increased each one by ½", so getting the last one at 4½"

 

Then you have to reassemble the shape by dragging the shapes on top of each other.

 

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The 3D model will now look like this:

 

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Once the 3D model looks right, then in the 3D model go to FILE > EXPORT > DWG, and save the model - it needs to be reoriented, which you can't do in the model.

 

Now open the SYSTEM LIBRARY > SYMBOLS > WIZARD, and open the dwg model that you just created, and reorient and save as a Softplan Symbol. This will also Generate a plan view, so that it can be used anywhere.

 

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I'm assuming you know how to use the symbol wizard. If not see this thread.


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#14 Philip Frank

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:13 AM

Nice work Keith. Very helpful.



#15 Keith Almond

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:18 AM

Thank You


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#16 randolph cohn

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 02:01 PM

for a quick pediment that's sort of close

you can use one of the stock softplan pediments (many designs)

and edit the "width" which is the distance from

top to bottom and also you can edit

the "overhang" which changes how

the right and left side line up with the right

and left trim.

 

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 03:04 PM

the pediment part of the door doesn't cut

the wall out behind it like the door.

so if you want to make it look like

a part of the wall is still showing

thru the pediment,  put in a

solid plane and edit it's size and offset,

(note: you'll probably have to "move" it

so you can see the solid plane)

and than right click on the wall

and click "copy surface" and

than right click on the solid plane

and click "paste surface"

 

 

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dr pediment rnd solid plane used to hide cut wall.JPG


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#18 Jonathan Barto

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 07:48 AM

AWESOME JOB KEITH!

 

THANKS ALOT FOR THAT! 



#19 Keith Almond

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 08:36 AM

You're welcome. Did it work for you?


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 10:39 AM

Thanks Keith - I am reviewing the pediment post. It seems logical that I could take a similar pediment and edit it. I will give it a try!

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