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#1 Tom McConnell

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 10:57 AM

I use one Plan Set for 2D Drawings (all good). One Plan Set to 3D Images (this topic).

The problem is the Image Quality in the PDF set when adding "3D Views" to Plans Sets.

SP Support tells me to Import Image to Plan Set page.

 

Here are the steps to Import Image to Plan Set page (Quality OK but needs improvement):

  1. Compose 3D View
  2. Save View File
  3. Save As Image
  4. Render to File
  5. Choose Image size
  6. Browse to Folder
  7. Name Image
  8. Save
  9. Open Plan Set Page
  10. File -> Import Image
  11. Find Image
  12. Draw Box on Plan Set Page
  13. Adjust Borders
  14. Repeat for every 3D View

Note: Image also needs to be cropped in photo program to fit page.

Please see EX-FRNT-LFT_Import Image

 

Here are the steps to Drag a 3D View onto a Plan Set page (Quality not good):

  1. Compose 3D View
  2. Save View File
  3. Drag 3D View onto Plan Set Page
  4. Adjust Borders
  5. Repeat for every 3D View

Please see EX-FRNT-LFT_Drag-3D-View.pdf

Image can adjusted to fit page within SP

 

Please Choose One:

  1. I would like to see 3D View Image Quality improved for Plan Sets
  2. I don't use 3D Images in Plan Sets

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#2 Allen McDonnell

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:04 PM

What is wrong with this?... (basement not done as this is part of a prelim set)

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:07 PM

Your steps are called WORK.

 

When i use to use SP images my "saved" plan sets would already include the number of image...so all i had to do in each drawing is save the image and then regenerate in plan set.


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#4 Tom McConnell

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 02:08 PM

Your steps are called WORK.

 

When i use to use SP images my "saved" plan sets would already include the number of image...so all i had to do in each drawing is save the image and then regenerate in plan set.

 

 
So I guess your saying "I don't use 3D Images in Plan Sets" and you would NOT like to see 3D View Image Quality improved for Plan Sets.

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#5 Dennis Hilborn

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 02:50 PM

 

 
So I guess your saying "I don't use 3D Images in Plan Sets" and you would NOT like to see 3D View Image Quality improved for Plan Sets.

 

I think he's saying that he does us images in plan sets but does it a different way.  A third way.  Look at his post above that had an image in a plan set page.  There is nothing lacking in that image.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 04:11 PM

I think he's saying that he does us images in plan sets but does it a different way.  A third way.  Look at his post above that had an image in a plan set page.  There is nothing lacking in that image.

 

I understand his method and use custom Template Plan Sets for 4 exterior views. It is fine for a limited amount of views.

I sometimes have ten or more images inside and out of house (not the same for every job).

Imagine keeping track of images numbers for each view for ten or more different views.

 

The quality of his image is just OK, not great.

He also mentions "When i use to use SP images".

Sounds like he quite that methode anyway or has adopted another method.

 

Again! This is not about methods for dealing with the current capabilities of SP, it's about improving them.

If SP improves the Image Quality in the PDF set when adding "3D Views" to Plans Sets:

  • They have made a better product
  • Improved user experience
  • Gave our clients the wow factor SP deserves
  • Clients talk great about us and SP

My word people..... It's just good business.


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#7 Keith Almond

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 06:27 PM

I'm not sure why you've listed ALL those steps!

 

I drag 3D views into my plansets and don't have any issues with the quality of the images.

 

I also don't see the need to create a JPG from the view to be able to add an image to a planset. What are the benefits of such a longwinded procedure?


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#8 Mark Beard

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:25 AM

Have you also experimented with your 3D settings on the views?  The saved views that you drag onto the plan set will allow you to right click and adjust 3D Options for the view.  I've found that helpful to adjust anti-alias, line & texture settings, etc.  I think for most conceptual presentations the "drag and drop" method is fine and looks ok 99% of the time, unless you're working with a client who asks for super photo-realistic images.  Just a thought and my two cents.


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:38 AM

I'm not sure why you've listed ALL those steps!

 

I drag 3D views into my plansets and don't have any issues with the quality of the images.

 

I also don't see the need to create a JPG from the view to be able to add an image to a planset. What are the benefits of such a longwinded procedure?

 

Long Winded is correct if you want better quality images in PDF's.

"drag 3D views" is low quality.


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 10:58 AM

Have you also experimented with your 3D settings on the views?  The saved views that you drag onto the plan set will allow you to right click and adjust 3D Options for the view.  I've found that helpful to adjust anti-alias, line & texture settings, etc.  I think for most conceptual presentations the "drag and drop" method is fine and looks ok 99% of the time, unless you're working with a client who asks for super photo-realistic images.  Just a thought and my two cents.

 

Yes. I have many saved Render Options. Anti-Alias always set to 10.


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:17 PM

I've had a few issues lately with lines not showing when I pull a model view into the plan set sheet.

 

Case in point, I pulled the front elevation in for an all brick house, and where the corners were supposed to be, there was no line depicting

a change in wall direction. It looked like 1 long flat brick wall.


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 05:07 PM

I also have

 

I've had a few issues lately with lines not showing when I pull a model view into the plan set sheet.

 

Case in point, I pulled the front elevation in for an all brick house, and where the corners were supposed to be, there was no line depicting

a change in wall direction. It looked like 1 long flat brick wall.

I also have had a similar problem.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 06:36 AM

Jon - is this happening even with your Line Thickness turned on and increased in your mode options?  I'm on a brick house right now and here are my settings if they help.

 

I've had a few issues lately with lines not showing when I pull a model view into the plan set sheet.

 

Case in point, I pulled the front elevation in for an all brick house, and where the corners were supposed to be, there was no line depicting

a change in wall direction. It looked like 1 long flat brick wall.

 

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 06:38 AM

Yes... some of the lines showed up fine. The outside corners of the house for example... but the inside corners (like for an inset front porch) we're not showing up.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:45 PM

This has nothing to do with 3D Quality

One of the line LINE problems is "Relief Depth". Or lack control of "Relief Depth".

We need a Global "Relief Depth" percent slider in "Mode Options" -> "Face Options". Not just a checkbox.

 

Straight render with no change.

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This one has "Relief Depth" reduced to 0 using "Edit" -> "Surface Edit" in texture mode.

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This one has "Relief Depth" unchecked in "Mode Options" -> "Face Options" (the line thickness is turn way up).

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